Calais Turbo

Nukz · 28-02-08, 19:22

hey boys and girls, just a quick question. in the process of getting my microtech wired up. now to the left of the battery (when standing in front of the car), there are a series of relays, one of which has a purple wire running to the starter, and an orange wire that ran to the original ecu harness. do i need this relay for the microtech, what is it for?? thanks heaps

MonstaS4 · 28-02-08, 20:10

The relay with the orange wire is the reverse polarity relay. It's purpose is to cut power to the ecu if the battery is connected in reverse.

IMO it's not really needed. If your careless enough to connect the battery in reverse, you deserve to have a fried ECU!

Keep in mind it also powers the injectors. Assuming you are running a new loom, i would bridge/remove the relay and utilise this for the battery feed to the ecu and injectors.

deanovlt · 28-02-08, 20:41

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Originally Posted by Nukz

hey boys and girls, just a quick question. in the process of getting my microtech wired up. now to the left of the battery (when standing in front of the car), there are a series of relays, one of which has a purple wire running to the starter, and an orange wire that ran to the original ecu harness. do i need this relay for the microtech, what is it for?? thanks heaps

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HAVE U GOT TO TPS YET HOW HAVE U WIRED THAT AS MY HAND BOOK WAS WRONG WHAT MODEL MICROTECH DO U HAVE HEARS A FEW PICS 4 IDEAS

SOME PICS OF CAR AT MOMENT

WIRES RAPED FROM CAR DONT NEED ALL THIS AND 2 COMPUTERS ALL GONE BUT KEPT FULL CALAIS ELECTRICS

NEW LOOM HOLES 4 MICROTECH

NEW GEAR BOX SWICHES (NO COMPUTER 4 AUTO)

RELOCATED WIPER WIRES AND WATER LINE (GO THRU CAR NOW)

FUSES IN GLOVE BOX

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Nukz · 29-02-08, 08:38

thanks for the help guys. so im gonna ditch the relay that had the orange wire running to it, as advised by MonstaS4, as i am running a new loom. one other question regarding the purple wire relay. off the starter there is a 2-wire plug that contains the purple wire and a blue/white wire. now i know this purple one runs to the relay, but where does the blue one run to? thanks again

anyone know where the blue wire off the starter runs to?

EVL · 06-04-08, 00:33

i'm pretty sure it runs to the alternator plug.. i'd have to check that though, preparing to do my microtech atm

-pumba- · 13-05-12, 18:39

i know this is old but hoping someone may know the answer, i need to know the same thing, blue/white wire off the starter, it runs to pin 9 on the standard computer, what do i hook it up to on the microtech ? ive got a lt10s

MonstaS4 · 13-05-12, 21:21

Pretty sure this is just to tell the ecu that the engine is cranking therefore adjust mixture & timing accordingly.

I would imagine all aftermarket ecu's can determine that the engine is cranking via the CAS signal. i.e. RPM < 300 = cranking.

In summary......leave the blue/white wire disconnected.

patch · 13-05-12, 21:26

Hey nukz, i dont know if this helps, but i have the microtech installation guide if u need wiring diagrams or anything along those lines

-pumba- · 13-05-12, 21:45

Ah ok thanks man. Patch I could maybe do with some diagrams etc. I'm doing my install at the moment. It's nukz thread from 08 I just hijacked it lol

patch · 13-05-12, 21:49

I'll have a look in the garage for the guide, im 99% sure i still have it, just let us know what diagrams u need

Ant_man · 13-05-12, 22:10

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Originally Posted by -pumba-

i know this is old but hoping someone may know the answer, i need to know the same thing, blue/white wire off the starter, it runs to pin 9 on the standard computer, what do i hook it up to on the microtech ? ive got a lt10s

Blue wire is cranking signal to ecu for starting correction table / map

-pumba- · 13-05-12, 22:18

So it's not needed for the microtech then ?

zooming · 14-05-12, 20:45

KNow i know why i got an electrician to wire mine up it was easier cost a little but peace of mind. are you running new wires to the pumps make sure you run a relay to them an extra one not just the factory.

Ant_man · 14-05-12, 20:54

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Originally Posted by -pumba-

So it's not needed for the microtech then ?

Most likely no it not used on my brothers wolf v400 i'm fairly sure most after market ecu use the cas signal for this trigger, it just means takes an extra crank to start as needs to generate a signal before it'll spark, the microtech wire in diagram or pin out diagram will show if it has a start signal input ..

---------- Post added 14-05-12 at 20:33 ----------

found this after a quick google search crank signal to pin 1 or 2 crank comes from the cas so blue wire will be left off
http://microtech-efi.com/downloads/65.pdf

-pumba- · 14-05-12, 22:41

Cheers heaps mate. Zooming I was quoted from $500-$900 depending how it went. I decided to give it a go myself as I'd rather spend that money else where. And it really isn't to hard. I've found it fairly simple so far. Im a mechanic by trade so I know basic electrical stuff. And yes I'm running new wires. The microtech comes with a new relay and wires from the computer to go straight to it. Also I'm making a complete new loom with new plugs etc.

Ant_man · 15-05-12, 10:19

Are you going to earth shield your signal wires like nissan did but holden didn't , it'll run a lot better if do won't give off fault codes etc probably not needed but im fussy as with my wiring

-pumba- · 15-05-12, 13:22

The CAS wiring is earth shielded. That's all I was going to worry about.

Nukz · 15-05-12, 13:27

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Originally Posted by patch

Hey nukz, i dont know if this helps, but i have the microtech installation guide if u need wiring diagrams or anything along those lines

Thanks patchy, but considering it's been 4 years since i posted the question I think I'll be right lol

patch · 15-05-12, 16:21

haha sorry man, i only looked at the last post date which was pumba and just assumed it was a recent thread

Pumba, you can go on the Microtech website and they have all the wiring diagrams for all ecus on there

MonstaS4 · 15-05-12, 17:51

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Originally Posted by Ant_man

Are you going to earth shield your signal wires like nissan did but holden didn't , it'll run a lot better if do won't give off fault codes etc probably not needed but im fussy as with my wiring

Dunno where you got this info from......all VL's had shielded signal wires. Its definately needed otherwise you'll get random misfiring due to interference from the spark plug leads.

Ant_man · 15-05-12, 19:19

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Originally Posted by MonstaS4

Dunno where you got this info from......all VL's had shielded signal wires. Its definately needed otherwise you'll get random misfiring due to interference from the spark plug leads.

Thought i remembered reading something bout the vl always throwing up fault codes where the 31 didnt as they where wiried up differently , but now no better cheers

-pumba- · 15-05-12, 22:46

yeah cheers patch, realized i had it anyway, came with my loom but didnt see it in the package at first lol.

another question guys, whats the go with the oxygen sensor, from looking at some other threads, people havnt ran it ?

Ant_man · 16-05-12, 10:14

Check the spec sheet for closed loop that's when o2 sensor is used from memory

MonstaS4 · 16-05-12, 20:56

If no O2 sensor is connected, it won't stop it from running.

If the microtech has provision for it then it would be best to use it. You'll get better fuel economy when under light load cruising. At full noise, the O2 sensor is ignored.

-pumba- · 16-05-12, 21:43

Yeah I know what it's used for. Just noticed alot of people weren't runnin them. Spoke to my boss today about it and he said not to bother. He isn't running one on his car, And I wont even notice the difference in fuel economy. It's not gonna under much light throttle/ cruising anyway haha. Cheers for the help though guys.

28-02-08, 19:22	#1
Nukz When in doubt, mumble. Join Date: 20-06-07 Location: Sydney, westside Car: PSI-30L (413rwhp) (SOLD) Trader Rating: (16)	what to do with this relay- microtech hey boys and girls, just a quick question. in the process of getting my microtech wired up. now to the left of the battery (when standing in front of the car), there are a series of relays, one of which has a purple wire running to the starter, and an orange wire that ran to the original ecu harness. do i need this relay for the microtech, what is it for?? thanks heaps

29-02-08, 08:38	#4
Nukz When in doubt, mumble. Join Date: 20-06-07 Location: Sydney, westside Car: PSI-30L (413rwhp) (SOLD) Trader Rating: (16)	thanks for the help guys. so im gonna ditch the relay that had the orange wire running to it, as advised by MonstaS4, as i am running a new loom. one other question regarding the purple wire relay. off the starter there is a 2-wire plug that contains the purple wire and a blue/white wire. now i know this purple one runs to the relay, but where does the blue one run to? thanks again anyone know where the blue wire off the starter runs to? . Last edited by Nukz; 29-02-08 at 18:22. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

13-05-12, 21:26	#8
patch [ZUTUTU] Join Date: 05-01-06 Location: Sydney, Lower North Shore Car: Imperial Blue VLCT Trader Rating: (12)	Hey nukz, i dont know if this helps, but i have the microtech installation guide if u need wiring diagrams or anything along those lines __________________ Buy my Car! http://www.calaisturbo.com.au/showthread.php?t=266822

13-05-12, 21:49	#10
patch [ZUTUTU] Join Date: 05-01-06 Location: Sydney, Lower North Shore Car: Imperial Blue VLCT Trader Rating: (12)	I'll have a look in the garage for the guide, im 99% sure i still have it, just let us know what diagrams u need __________________ Buy my Car! http://www.calaisturbo.com.au/showthread.php?t=266822

15-05-12, 16:21	#19
patch [ZUTUTU] Join Date: 05-01-06 Location: Sydney, Lower North Shore Car: Imperial Blue VLCT Trader Rating: (12)	haha sorry man, i only looked at the last post date which was pumba and just assumed it was a recent thread Pumba, you can go on the Microtech website and they have all the wiring diagrams for all ecus on there __________________ Buy my Car! http://www.calaisturbo.com.au/showthread.php?t=266822

28-02-08, 20:10	#2
MonstaS4 ^^ = stunt bike Join Date: 01-11-03 Location: VIC, Ballarat Car: RB30DET sold...hello VZ SS Trader Rating: (0)	The relay with the orange wire is the reverse polarity relay. It's purpose is to cut power to the ecu if the battery is connected in reverse. IMO it's not really needed. If your careless enough to connect the battery in reverse, you deserve to have a fried ECU! Keep in mind it also powers the injectors. Assuming you are running a new loom, i would bridge/remove the relay and utilise this for the battery feed to the ecu and injectors.

06-04-08, 00:33	#5
EVL RB30DEBT Join Date: 24-06-05 Location: WA, East Car: RB30DEBT Trader Rating: (8)	i'm pretty sure it runs to the alternator plug.. i'd have to check that though, preparing to do my microtech atm

13-05-12, 21:21	#7
MonstaS4 ^^ = stunt bike Join Date: 01-11-03 Location: VIC, Ballarat Car: RB30DET sold...hello VZ SS Trader Rating: (0)	Pretty sure this is just to tell the ecu that the engine is cranking therefore adjust mixture & timing accordingly. I would imagine all aftermarket ecu's can determine that the engine is cranking via the CAS signal. i.e. RPM < 300 = cranking. In summary......leave the blue/white wire disconnected.

14-05-12, 20:45	#13
zooming Player Join Date: 06-07-10 Location: Sydney, anywhere Car: VLCT s1 genuine Trader Rating: (0)	KNow i know why i got an electrician to wire mine up it was easier cost a little but peace of mind. are you running new wires to the pumps make sure you run a relay to them an extra one not just the factory.

15-05-12, 10:19	#16
Ant_man Player Join Date: 26-03-12 Location: Adelaide, Somewhere cant read maps Car: vl calais turbo , vs senator 215i 6 speed, vz ssz Trader Rating: (0)	Are you going to earth shield your signal wires like nissan did but holden didn't , it'll run a lot better if do won't give off fault codes etc probably not needed but im fussy as with my wiring

16-05-12, 10:14	#23
Ant_man Player Join Date: 26-03-12 Location: Adelaide, Somewhere cant read maps Car: vl calais turbo , vs senator 215i 6 speed, vz ssz Trader Rating: (0)	Check the spec sheet for closed loop that's when o2 sensor is used from memory

16-05-12, 20:56	#24
MonstaS4 ^^ = stunt bike Join Date: 01-11-03 Location: VIC, Ballarat Car: RB30DET sold...hello VZ SS Trader Rating: (0)	If no O2 sensor is connected, it won't stop it from running. If the microtech has provision for it then it would be best to use it. You'll get better fuel economy when under light load cruising. At full noise, the O2 sensor is ignored.