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Old 14-08-06, 18:40   #51
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the catch is they load every **** up with lpg conversions then raise the price of LPG to 1.40 a litre and we're back to square one
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Old 14-08-06, 18:40   #52
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the tax on gas will never be as much as ULP because of these 2 points.
1. lower emissions (environmentalists will protest if the tax it ever matches)
2. like LTHLRB said, it burns quicker.

either way, im only interested if the myths about LPG and EPA are true
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Old 14-08-06, 18:44   #53
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any cars built after 1986 and on straight gas will not pass an emissions test as it has to be running the fuel it came out from the factory.
if my VL is 1986 will it pass then?? or is it 1985 below
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Old 14-08-06, 19:44   #54
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1986 series I VL Commodores value skyrockets!
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Old 14-08-06, 20:16   #55
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any cars built after 1986 and on straight gas will not pass an emissions test as it has to be running the fuel it came out from the factory.
Well think about it, a car on straight gas, isn't going to be able to run petrol so that rule wouldn't make any sense.

And it would pass an emissions test, as the test is exactly that, an emissions test.

Cars running LPG have less emissions, and gas dedicated cars can get away with mods that dual fuel and petrol cars wouldn't be able to legally. For example it is legal to have no cat/cats in a car running dedicated gas.

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i read in the age somewhere at work, little johnny howard is gonna raise the price on LPG... one of the reasons why the grant is comming about... So the price of gas may even b to the $1 mark
There is legislation in place to make sure that the retail price of LPG does not exceed 50% of the retail price of regular unleaded. Makes sense as to why LPG prices lifted as petrol prices did, because they could!

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Old 14-08-06, 20:33   #56
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who cares 1 dollar is still cheaper than 1.40 and at the same time where all epa safe...dont even need to be stock anymore!
exactly man..... i can get mine done for $2600, collect the $2000, and my conversion cost me $600. and with the amount of driving i do now it would have paid for itself within 14 weeks.
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Old 14-08-06, 20:37   #57
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Well think about it, a car on straight gas, isn't going to be able to run petrol so that rule wouldn't make any sense.

And it would pass an emissions test, as the test is exactly that, an emissions test.

Cars running LPG have less emissions, and gas dedicated cars can get away with mods that dual fuel and petrol cars wouldn't be able to legally. For example it is legal to have no cat/cats in a car running dedicated gas.

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There is legislation in place to make sure that the retail price of LPG does not exceed 50% of the retail price of regular unleaded. Makes sense as to why LPG prices lifted as petrol prices did, because they could!

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mate you got no idea! all cars that are fitted with a cat from the factory have to retain it! do you see the e-gas falcons with no cats for example?

show me ANY car that is made after 1986 on straight gas that has passed. go have a read of ADR
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also ENOTB, it is 01/86 so looks like no luck.
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Old 14-08-06, 20:43   #58
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There is legislation in place to make sure that the retail price of LPG does not exceed 50% of the retail price of regular unleaded. Makes sense as to why LPG prices lifted as petrol prices did, because they could!

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This was brought out over 50 years ago and is no longer valid! The government agreed on it for a certain amount of years and then never re-did it. That was the whole reason they bought out LPG to start with, it didnt cost them anything to produce as it is a bi-product of making petrol. However there is nothing stopping LPG prices from rising to any level.
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Old 14-08-06, 20:45   #59
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One thing to say... If you need fuel you buy simple as that.. No matter what the price is..

Think about the people who are drivers who work for themself... They are the ones who pay for fuel every single day not joe blow down the road filling up once a week...

I see like this if i drive my car and i need fuel i put it in simple as that no use crying over the price of it... Cannot have the cake and eat it too guys...

Converting to gas because what johnny is saying why bother.. What the fact that it puts more wear on your motor? and that when you goto do a 100,000kms service it cost you more then a car running on unleaded...

Different story if you fork out money for a gas research not mr dual fuel's gas conversion down the road which everyone seems to be getting and going back as they are having problems...
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mate you got no idea! all cars that are fitted with a cat from the factory have to retain it! do you see the e-gas falcons with no cats for example?

show me ANY car that is made after 1986 on straight gas that has passed. go have a read of ADR
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also ENOTB, it is 01/86 so looks like no luck.
What does an E-Gas falcon run on? Petrol AND gas...

What I stated above was told to me by a gas fitter.. But I mean ****, he could have been wrong but yeah, thats just what I had been told Not having a go at you mate.

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This was brought out over 50 years ago and is no longer valid! The government agreed on it for a certain amount of years and then never re-did it. That was the whole reason they bought out LPG to start with, it didnt cost them anything to produce as it is a bi-product of making petrol. However there is nothing stopping LPG prices from rising to any level.
My mistake then, didn't realise this was the case. Any idea as to how long it was in place then?

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Old 14-08-06, 21:51   #61
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gas will go up if everyone uses it if they stop using pedy it will go down esy fellas no win eather way
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Old 14-08-06, 21:53   #62
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well it's official 2K grant for a gas conversion on an existing car, probably a dece idea, even though gas will go up, eventually the fuel is gonna rocket due to lack of oil. So i reckon get it while you can
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Old 14-08-06, 21:57   #63
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ok. Maybe not as much as pech but still more than usual. I am still not convinced about this payout. There hasto be some kind of catch i just cant trust someone with eyebrows that size...
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Old 14-08-06, 22:03   #64
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mate you got no idea! all cars that are fitted with a cat from the factory have to retain it! do you see the e-gas falcons with no cats for example?

show me ANY car that is made after 1986 on straight gas that has passed. go have a read of ADR
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also ENOTB, it is 01/86 so looks like no luck.
Incorrect.

Running straight gas means you can skip all emissions gear, including catalytic convertors.
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My prediction - petrol stations better get more LPG pumps or there's gonna be a lot of waiting...

Who wouldn't convert? It's gonna take an unprecedented gas shortage for LPG prices to catch up to ULP (which is trended to continue to rise), irrespective of the government's planned increase of the tax on LPG. Plus there's a huge difference in emissions and therefore environmental impact.

Sure beats buying a Prius....
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all the people that like that idea are all suckers for lil johnny's taxes

you see, gas is cheap now, he is tryin to get MORE people on lpg BUT!

what they dont say, you use WAY more lpg than petrol, my falcon v8 was cheaper on petrol than lpg why? you use that much more gas...

u gotta run gas valve seats

you lose half you boot space

bad tune and ur stuffed

you cant fill up on the sie of the road

a few years after that gas conversion money comes in, how little johnnie will start an excuse on lpg and over 5 years will be like 15 cpl!

he can shove it up his arse, im sticking to ulp
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Old 14-08-06, 22:47   #67
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like has been said earlier in the thread, if you cant afford to put fuel in your VL, then you cant afford to keep the car
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Well think about it if he lashes out the money for all these lpg installations he will be getting all his spending plus a lot more back from the mechanics fitting these lpg systems via there tax. His looking is looking for ways to line his greedy little pockets and he cant control u.s oil prices because its out of his hands but lpg is made right here in australia and thats something he can control both via price hikes at the bowser and via the extra money that will be generated from tax from the workers making it as a lot more people would be needed to make it to meet demand. Everybody think yaayyyy its all great now but watch and see there faces later on as the **** hits the fan with big price hikes and stuff.
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there are straight gas e-gas falsons built.

and about the cat, been told by one of the guys at the EPA about that and he said if the car came with it, then its still gotta have it, even if on straight gas.
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little jonny howard is going to use our tax paying money for the rebait just so he can make more money for him self in the long run.It the old saying you gotta spend money to make money but insteed hes using tax payers money more than likely.
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Well think about it if he lashes out the money for all these lpg installations he will be getting all his spending plus a lot more back from the mechanics fitting these lpg systems via there tax. His looking is looking for ways to line his greedy little pockets and he cant control u.s oil prices because its out of his hands but lpg is made right here in australia and thats something he can control both via price hikes at the bowser and via the extra money that will be generated from tax from the workers making it as a lot more people would be needed to make it to meet demand. Everybody think yaayyyy its all great now but watch and see there faces later on as the **** hits the fan with big price hikes and stuff.

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"However, whilst LPG is excise-free at the present time, there are plans to introduce an excise on LPG of 2.5 cents a litre in 2011 which will increase to 12 cents per litre (as opposed to the 38 cpl excise on petrol) in 2011."

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12 cents of excise if better then half like on ULP

That excise has been announced for ages, like I said earlier. If anyone remembers, they wanted to tax it more but all the Taxi drivers cracked the ****s and said it would put them out of business, hence the 12.5cent increase.

There's a lot of urban legend about gas still around. Good I say, means I can get it, no one converts, and I get cheap fuel.
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well seeming everything you buy go's to lining the gubberments pockets i dont see the difference, When you get Gas conversion you can still keep running on ULP anyways, Yes it's true some cars can use up to twice the 'fuel' usin gas but with a correct tune you'll prolly only use 1/4 more than ya would on a tank, My WB v8 (253) used to use a tank of gas from Perth to Bunbury which for an 82 v8 aint too bad

also ULP is taxed at 38% :P

They could always go the other way and start using Ethanol...
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Johnny is a ****wit he sells our gas to asia and other countires for 8c a litre with stupid 30yr contracts.. and he wants to reem his own people by taxing us etc.. **** smoker
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