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Old 30-06-09, 20:54   #126
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lets hope with that mentality nothing ends up happening
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Old 30-06-09, 20:57   #127
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by the way i would be cleaning up your myspace/ facebooks and any youtube videos you might have just a tip cause if the media want to fk you they will

but on the other hand the goverment are always slagging hoons but they are not supplying any venus to practice it safely or legaly so in my opinion the media could get behind the car lovers on this one
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Old 30-06-09, 20:59   #128
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and what are we as enthusiasts are going to do with john doesnt get far with his petition and fights and theres no easternats? just sit back and take it! like we have done in the past! something needs to be done! and the media have been wrong in so many cases that everyone knows they are nothing but liars and we need show the public somehow thats why chris and a few of us wanted to organise a meeting
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Old 30-06-09, 21:03   #129
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and what are we as enthusiasts are going to do with john doesnt get far with his petition and fights and theres no easternats? just sit back and take it! like we have done in the past! something needs to be done! and the media have been wrong in so many cases that everyone knows they are nothing but liars and we need show the public somehow thats why chris and a few of us wanted to organise a meeting
Last time we had a meeting at the dandenong council offices. Hundreds turned up and the council supported easternats and let it go ahead.

This is proof that this way works.

If it ends up going nowhere then by all means go for it but the professionals need to do thier thing and we can then support them. Without them we are nothing but a bunch of hoons grouped together to create chaos in the eyes of the public.
Atleast with John there he IS the event. It's not a group of morons, its the event and its followers showing their feelings.
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Old 30-06-09, 21:07   #130
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this is getting out of hand *sits back with popcorn*
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Old 30-06-09, 21:07   #131
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the problem with a cruise ect is (you need to to be some where that every 1 would see it ect so they know what we want ect But with saying that whos to say the cam crews ect might come down then some random d!ck head see's every 1 and drops a burnout then basicly anything todo with done up cars is gunna be f#ked over
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Old 30-06-09, 21:08   #132
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yeah your definetely right! but if we won at the last council meeting how come this whole dilemma is coming back about the noise problem and polution! i thought they solved this! now its come back to haunt us again but this time more serious! and calder is just a joke atm! we need a track like sydney! maybe we could ask sydney users if the new track helped there state from less trouble on the street?

and these discussions we are having is good cause it lets us all show our views and opinions and this will help us organise and do something about this problem so the more talk teh better we need EVERYONES views
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Old 30-06-09, 21:12   #133
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Look this has been an issue from so long its not funny. We cant afford to wait for big names to put their 10cents in cause at the end of the day we are the ones its effecting.
Look somethings going to be done regardless, its either you support or you dont, we are doing this for each other and each others passions
The more people that support in a mature manner the better chances we have of getting our point across.
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Old 30-06-09, 21:17   #134
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thats right chris and look how easternats has turned out even if we do have easternats the cops r all over it they hang out in the car park and attack anyone and everyone even giving canaries out to parked cars in the car park now thats BS! look what they did to springnats! they ruined it that no one even goes there anymore
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Old 30-06-09, 21:21   #135
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as is always, this seems to be getting out of hand.....instead of all of us pulling together to make a stronger argument, WHICH IS NOT SOLELY ABOUT THE EASTERNATS generally, but treatment of us all as an enthusiast community.

You guys have to remember, the is not just about a promoter and his issues, its about all of us, who get the promoter where they are ever year, and All of us as a community, who wish nothing bad upon anyone, we all have Fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters etc., so really this issue hits home with us all, being labelled 'hoons' by the general public.

Ultimately we have only but one point to get across, and that is the Government is coming down SO hard on us as a community, that we no longer have a safe place to enjoy activities under safe supervision, in a controlled environment.

So lets band together, for a bit of slack from this ever tightening government.
Lets just remeber what this is all about, US...ALL OF US.....not just the nats.

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Old 30-06-09, 21:23   #136
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well said mick!
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Old 30-06-09, 21:30   #137
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EXACTLY
Enough talking about how us little people are no one and that we cant make a difference, its time alot of people are proved wrong and a point is put across.
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Old 30-06-09, 21:32   #138
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half the people that are killing them selfs arnt it cars that are to low /moded there in sh!t heap v6s's or v8s and there pushing the car way pasted the limits without knowing how to control there cars i dont see how some 1 cruising a car at say 65 in a 70 (just becuz the car might be 5-10mm under the legal height can get pulled over and defected when there not doing anything wrong i saw tonight on the news some 1s family (1 of the 1s that have been killed latly and hes saying to crush our cars umm wdf just becuz his son was a f#k wit in a car doesnt mean the rest of us are
No.

The problem is the dangerous competitive behaviour that arises when modified cars encounter each other on public roads.

The main argument here is that having a venue to actively participate in such use of a vehicle which is outlawed on public roads will reduce the need, and quantity, of young people creating dangerous situations for other road users and themselves.

Generally speaking, the "shit heap V6 and V8s" doing "5Km under the limit" "5-10mm under legal height" are also the same ones causing the above dangerous and competitive behaviour. You know, I know, THEY know it.

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the problem with a cruise ect is (you need to to be some where that every 1 would see it ect so they know what we want ect But with saying that whos to say the cam crews ect might come down then some random d!ck head see's every 1 and drops a burnout then basicly anything todo with done up cars is gunna be f#ked over
The problem with a cruise is it attracts no attention from the media, whether it be positive or negative. The only result is peopel waste money on petrol, general public who see a line of shiny cars assume they're up to no good, and we have to read about "po po defectd my chuppd sprngz brahhh" threads for the next week.

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Look this has been an issue from so long its not funny. We cant afford to wait for big names to put their 10cents in cause at the end of the day we are the ones its effecting.
Look somethings going to be done regardless, its either you support or you dont, we are doing this for each other and each others passions
The more people that support in a mature manner the better chances we have of getting our point across.
Ok, yes, but what can we do? A cruise has already been established as a waste of time, as has trying to make a truce directly with the Traffic Operations Group. I can only believe at this point that the best possible point of ingress into this issue is via the proven method, which is attending these council meetings in great numbers and make our opinions heard; preferably by people with a half decent record, and a greater perspecacity than your average VL owner.

I am happy to be one of these people.
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Old 30-06-09, 21:40   #139
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and Tim if thats the approach we choose to take then WE have to ALL get behind it to make a difference and voice our concerns.
Your above reply to THC was music to my ears, exactly the point that is trying to be put forth.
There is no venue to activelly participate in such a manor and this is a major contributor to the whole issue
As ive said time and time again im happy to stick up for whats right and if its a fail and i make myself look like a goose, then at least I did it whilst trying to stick up for each and every member on this car forum and to all who are against this, im sorry for trying to help you out.
No where have i said hey lets all park up on the westgate and block trafic to get the point across so lets not jump down throats here
Tim as said appreciate the support
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Old 30-06-09, 21:44   #140
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Well if the car was a highly modified car doing illegal things on the easter saturday, sunday and monday... then maybe.
You can't really blame them for deaths when the majority of people 'hooning' wouldn't have been at an event like this on this particular weekend anyway.
yer good point i was just real piss off you know wat its like
now that i think of it maybe not their fault they just need to keep the easternats flag flying
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Old 30-06-09, 21:55   #141
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It started with Calder open closed open again and now closed again.
Drag tag although so of us might laugh at the idea of it al least you could go there and do burnouts and not get hassled.
SpringNats went last year massive cop fest was in a stock 2003 hilux and got defect for a number plate light becasue i had p plates on. Whilst the person behind me in a bashed up xf that had seen much better days gets let through.
not many people want to go to spring nats anymore for that reason.
EasterNats gone
Heathcote is the only thing we have left and its a two or 3 hour drive for some of us and who is to say how much longer we will have that for when is enough enough. We need to get our point accross in the right way. We need to have the right head peice to put our point across and all stand behind him and behave our selves on the event in witch ever one we decide on.
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Old 30-06-09, 21:57   #142
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It started with Calder open closed open again and now closed again.
Drag tag although so of us might laugh at the idea of it al least you could go there and do burnouts and not get hassled.
SpringNats went last year massive cop fest was in a stock 2003 hilux and got defect for a number plate light becasue i had p plates on. Whilst the person behind me in a bashed up xf that had seen much better days gets let through.
not many people want to go to spring nats anymore for that reason.
EasterNats gone
Heathcote is the only thing we have left and its a two or 3 hour drive for some of us and who is to say how much longer we will have that for when is enough enough. We need to get our point accross in the right way. We need to have the right head peice to put our point across and all stand behind him and behave our selves on the event in witch ever one we decide on.
and by the sounds of it, we dont have heathcote for much longer too
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Old 30-06-09, 22:01   #143
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how longs your driveway paul? the way things are going that may be our only option
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Thanks Chris.

Something I actually forgot to ad to my post - we're not trying to get any laws changed guys. That's not the goal. It's just about having an outlet.
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exactly
and look at it this way, the spotted thread will last much longer cause there would be less talk of illegal activity and more talk of legal activity
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Well said Tim.

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There is no venue to activelly participate in such a manor and this is a major contributor to the whole issue
As ive said time and time again im happy to stick up for whats right and if its a fail and i make myself look like a goose, then at least I did it whilst trying to stick up for each and every member on this car forum and to all who are against this, im sorry for trying to help you out.
Look whether easternats is on or off its not going to result in more or less street racing - we both know it. It's one weekend per year.
We need to stand up for the event because its bloody fun.

Your very keen which is great but I think it needs to be directed down the correct path.
Unless we have a 'body' such as Easternats and John Davison we wont have any clout or a face as such. Itll just be 'those damn street racers' again.

We can all work together but instead of being radical and directing our problems to the governments, politicians and local residents we need to focus on what the real problem is... The Melbourne Racing Club.

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Call Neal Mitchel on 3aw that old **** might or might give a **** but alot of wankers listen to him might fall upon the right ears without up setting to many people or getting any more bad media like we have been copping the last couple of years lol

And Tell him to read this thread and someother of his mates can see were we are coming from
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Old 30-06-09, 22:54   #148
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ye brett thats fine, John Davison can represent us or whatever it may be he do, but regardless we need numbers to support this.
Im gonna give it a red hot crack.
As i said before as long as there are numbers behind it we will be heard. never the less ill know i did my bit
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somehow, i dont think many of you want this enough........CMON!!
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Seems like Alot of ppl want it but dont want to ether get more bad media or want other people to do the hard yards but if some how luck is on our side and some how we keep it some people will be willing to use it even if they didnt fight for it....

I think katsa's on a plane to Canberra buy now to speak his mind. Or sitting at sandown in the cold lol
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